Carnism and Communication | Melanie Joy, PhD

The Proof with Simon Hill

Simon Hill

Nutrition, Health & Fitness, Self-improvement, Education

4.9 • 2.9K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2020

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

In Episode #112, I sat down with Harvard-educated psychologist and bestselling author Melanie Joy to discuss how we form our beliefs about food and how people on plant-based diets can have healthier, more productive conversations with meat eaters. This is an episode that I believe will be highly enlightening regardless of which diet you follow. In this episode, Melanie shared her personal journey to studying psychology at Harvard and writing her award-winning book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism. We discussed the carnism ideology, carnistic defence systems, and why our food choices matter. Listen to hear some fascinating insights into effective advocacy for a plant-based lifestyle and better communication with people holding a different opinion to you. While my episodes usually focus on the science of nutrition, I found this exchange fascinating, and I believe that it provides so much insight into communication in general, whether or not it’s related to food choices. For more insights and reflections, visit The Proof website for the full show notes. Enjoy, friends. Simon Want to support the show? The best way to support the show is to use the products and services offered by our sponsors. To check them out, and enjoy great savings, visit theproof.com/friends. You can also show your support by leaving a review on the Apple Podcast app and/or sharing your favourite episodes with your friends and family. Simon Hill, Msc, Bsc (Hons) Creator of theproof.com and host of The Proof with Simon Hill Author of The Proof is in the Plants Watch the episodes on YouTube, or Listen on Apple/Spotify Connect with me on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook Download my complimentary two week meal plan and high protein plant performance recipe book

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0:00.0	Hey there, I've got a very quick message to share with you before we jump into the episode.
0:08.1	Let's keep this under 30 seconds, shall we?
0:11.5	This episode is proudly brought to you by Amille.
0:13.7	Amille is a plant-based wellness company focused on formulating evidence-based supplements
0:18.2	to optimize our health.
0:20.0	I personally take Amille's essential aid multi-nutrient to how I start my day, which contains
0:25.0	eight essential nutrients in the right forms and dosages to perfectly complement a plant-rich
0:30.3	diet.
0:31.3	Amille offers no magic pills or hyperbolic claims, just good quality supplements that we can trust.
0:37.5	To check out Amille and get 10% off your first order, visit theproof.com forward slash friends.
0:43.3	I'll pop a link to that in the show notes.
0:49.9	Human psychology is messy and it's complicated.
0:52.2	It's really important for us to communicate in a way that increases the chances that
0:56.8	people will make the kinds of changes we need them to make if we hope to really make
1:01.1	a difference for farmed animals and beyond.
1:04.0	Most people, number one, transition slowly.
1:07.0	Asking somebody to stop eating animals is not simply asking for a change of behavior.
1:11.9	It's asking for a change of perspective, a shift of consciousness, a change of lifestyle.
1:16.5	It's asking for them to compromise important relationships in their lives.
1:21.1	Scientists do not have to end because one person becomes vegan, but very often they do
1:24.8	end up ending.
1:25.8	And if we approach adult people and present them with an all or nothing, we are very likely
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