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Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of The Writing Room.

I'm one of your hosts, Kim Stewart, and I'm joined by the effervescent, unparalleled Bob Gough.

Bob, it's so good to see you here today.

Yes, here we are. And I love that we get to have our friend Carlos. On Carlos Whitaker, if you haven't read his books, you could

change that. He's written just quite a few that have been ones that have changed so many people's

lives that kind of got their head up on a swivel.

And we talk a lot about that to see what's going on around and then see what's going on within.

And if faith is a big deal for you, it is for me, it is for Kim, it is for Carlos.

This is the right place.

And if you're like none of the above or all the above, this is still the right place to be.

Let's just talk about

like books and writing and then how I want you as you're listening to Carlos and some of the

nuggets he'll drop on us. I want you to think about like how does that relate to me now. So

what Jesus did all the time is ask people to go do something and never ask them to agree with

them. And so don't agree with this stuff to say, okay, so what's my power move relating that?

So Carlos, welcome to the writing room.

Hello, Kimberly and Bob.

Thanks for, I can't believe I'm in the cozy writing room with the two of you.

This is so fun.

Yeah, here we are. How cool is that? Yeah. So, uh, Carlos, I'm trying to think of when we met

each other is like a decade ago. It must have been. Uh, but you, uh, have been up to the lodge.

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