Carlos Sainz: Inside My Ferrari Exit, Red Bull Rumours and Why I Believe In Williams (E361)
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4.8 • 4.7K Ratings
🗓️ 21 July 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Formula One driver Carlos Sainz has always made bold choices, but none bolder than betting on Williams. In this episode, the F1 star opens up about turning down easier options to join a long-term project led by James Vowles, and why trust, people, and honesty mattered more than numbers or hype.
He also addresses the Red Bull rumours head-on, sharing his real thoughts on Max Verstappen, why he never made that call, and the reality of playing second fiddle in a team built around one superstar. It’s not bitterness, it’s clarity.
Beyond the politics and paddock talk, Carlos gets real about the personal price of chasing a championship: the constant obsession, the missed moments, and the challenge of being present when your mind is always in the car.
This episode is a rare look at the mindset behind the helmet, raw, reflective, and deeply human.
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| 0:00.0 | Unlock your next dose of inspiration early on the high-performance app. |
| 0:04.9 | Available now is our latest episode with Nottingham Forest Captain Ryan Yates. |
| 0:12.2 | Disappointed, frustrated. Before the surgery, you are full of doubts. |
| 0:16.5 | For some reason, they've decided this is my character building year. |
| 0:20.0 | I received a phone call. I went |
| 0:21.9 | from believing I was going to be in Ferrari for a while. Suddenly, Lewis is replacing me. It never |
| 0:26.8 | occurred to me that that could happen. Every athlete to thrive, they need to be in a team where they |
| 0:32.1 | feel loved in a way, or they feel everyone is behind them. That's what makes me smile now being in Williams. |
| 0:39.0 | That is the voice of Formula One driver Carlos Sines this week's guest on high performance. |
| 0:43.5 | He invited me over to Monaco for an exclusive conversation that will take you inside the most |
| 0:48.4 | intense, political and challenging chapter of his F1 career. Because Carlos is about to reveal really for the first time |
| 0:55.7 | what actually happened when Ferrari picked up the phone |
| 0:58.9 | and told him he was going to leave. |
| 1:01.2 | He also shares openly why he was turned down by Red Bull, |
| 1:05.1 | why that was one of his toughest moments, |
| 1:06.7 | and then how he managed to reset his thinking |
| 1:08.6 | to embark on a new project with Williams. |
| 1:10.9 | Oh, and talking of Williams, he tells us how soon James Vowell thinks they might win the Formula One world title |
| 1:15.4 | and how quickly he thinks they might do it. |
| 1:18.5 | He also shares in detail how he found being Max Verstappen's teammate at Toyo Rosso, |
| 1:22.4 | and that is very interesting. |
| 1:24.4 | The personal rules that he's set to stay professional, even when he wanted to |
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