Good afternoon, Michael Malis here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. We have with us a very special guest, Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of a Cod, who is one of the preeminent cultural commentators on the right, I'd say you've played it for yourself. You've also been banned from several places.

A couple of places for bad reasons, I would say. That's fine. You've got to push the boundaries to see where they are.

So what something I wanted to start with is a little bit inside baseball. Both you and I have recently been on Jesse Lee Peterson's podcast and it was quite an experience for both of us.

He was on this show a couple of weeks ago and you did not see the ending, which was my favorite ending of any podcast I've done possibly.

So I would love for you to take 30 seconds right now and follow that link and watch the end so we could see Carl Benjamin reacts.

Jesse Lee Peterson, Michael Malis, I'll shut up now. I'm watching it now. Yeah.

Oh, he's got you there, Michael. He thought he did that when he wrote his show as well.

For those of you who don't know, I'll just listen to the very end of my episode of your welcome, which is two weeks ago, it was Jesse Lee Peterson being like, you know, your interview is pretty good for you. You had you right.

Yes, the whole time I was on the show, like 40 minutes, I had to defend the history of the Semitic people, which I wasn't a particular expert on, but here I am standing in for thousands of years of history.

I just love the way that he kept dreaming. So what's your relationship with your father? Like you're like, oh, God, oh, God.

The whole thing, honestly, I said you're you're in the room for a bunch of people. Like this is just, it was an hour of gold. It was pure gold to watch.

Well, I also felt a little, it was a little obnoxious because I don't like talking about my family because they're not there to defend themselves.

And I do not have a good relationship with my dad, but he saved my life. He got me out of Russia. He raised me.

So for me to be kind of criticizing him in a public forum, I feel there's a little bit of disrespect, but at the same time, I didn't want to dodge the issue.

Yeah. And he's the sort of guy who just keeps asking the question until you down well, answer it.

Oh, yeah, you've just got a tackle head on. I love Jesse.

What I wanted to talk to you about is you were one of the preeminent voices in the UK being pro Brexit.

It was very much the establishment, but the establishment right, if you consider the Tories to be right.

And the labor party, although there were some pockets of labor surprisingly, who were quietly for it, it came through obviously, then they were trying every step they could to kind of undo the referendum.

And then it passed through the predictions were, if Brexit comes to pass, it's going to be disaster for the United Kingdom.

Everything's going to price to go through the roof, you know, calamity, hell on earth.

Can you from as someone who supported Brexit, do you regret it? Did those negative predictions come to pass?

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