Carissa Hessick on Jan. 6 Plea Bargains
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🗓️ 19 October 2021
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Around a hundred people have already pleaded guilty to crimes in connection with the Jan. 6 attempted insurrection on the Capitol. What should we make of the plea deals thus far? Are they overly lenient? Are they what we might expect? To talk through the Jan. 6 plea deals, Jacob Schulz sat down on Lawfare Live with Carissa Byrne Hessick, the Anne Shea Ransdell and William Garland "Buck" Ransdell, Jr. Distinguished Professor of Law at the University of North Carolina School of Law. They talked through her reaction to the deals, her recent Lawfare article on the deals and about plea bargaining in general, which is the subject of her new book, “Punishment Without Trial: Why Plea Bargaining Is a Bad Deal.”
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.2 | Some of the people who fought with police also pleaded guilty early and also gave them |
| 0:39.4 | their electronic devices and yet they were given a different plea deal and they were forced |
| 0:45.0 | to plead guilty. |
| 0:46.4 | They were required to plead guilty to a more serious charge. |
| 0:49.6 | So DOJ I think is sidestepping the fact that they made a moral judgment about what the |
| 0:55.2 | appropriate punishment is for the people who showed up on January 6th and went into the |
| 1:00.5 | capital and they haven't defended that moral judgment even though we've seen this media |
| 1:06.7 | scrutiny which is depressing for me obviously because it's easy for me to see say if only |
| 1:12.0 | people paid more attention then they'd better understand the decisions that their public |
| 1:17.1 | officials are making and they could hold them accountable. |
| 1:19.9 | Here we actually have all of the public opinion but we don't get the explanations that I would |
| 1:24.8 | hope we would see. |
| 1:27.1 | I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair Podcast October 19th, 2021. |
| 1:35.4 | Around 100 people have already pleaded guilty to crimes in connection with the January 6th |
| 1:40.3 | attempted insurrection on the capital. |
| 1:43.1 | What should we make of the plea deals thus far? |
| 1:45.0 | Are they overly lenient? |
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