There's more space than ever to imagine the future differently.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Becoming the People. I'm Prentice-Hemp-ill. I'm really happy to be with you all again for another week.

Today we have a guest episode and I'm

excited and grateful to share this episode with you all. I think it's a really important one.

And it aligns with a lot of what I've been thinking about lately and the questions I've been

holding, which I've been thinking a lot about care. I've been thinking a lot

about what care is, what care does, the meaning of care. And because of that, I was like,

who can I talk to that understands this idea has really put her life behind visibleizing care, caring for caregivers,

valuing the work of care. So I reached out to Ija and Poo, and we are lucky to have her

on the podcast today. And I think, you know, one of the things that I've been holding around care

is like, you know, it's just, we think about it almost as something that's inconsequential.

Yes, it must happen, but we don't value it. We don't look at it. And we certainly don't

understand it, I think, for the infrastructure that it is.

Like everything requires care.

And that's one of the things I Jen says in her work.

She talks about care as the work that makes all other work possible.

And I think that's so true.

There's just, there's invisibility, but there's a necessity to the work of care.

Because none of us arrive to this podcast today without having received some care,

without someone having cared for us in childhood or when we were sick or earlier today

made us a meal that there's care surrounding

our lives at all times. And we don't necessarily value it. We don't value it and we certainly

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