Here at Straight White American Jesus, we discuss Christian nationalism and racism often on the show.

But an important new book points out that the hidden roots of white supremacy can be found in a little known but powerful Christian doctrine

developed five centuries ago in the wake of the discovery of the so-called New World.

And it convincingly shows that understanding this history sheds new light on the menace of Christian nationalism in contemporary America.

Many of you will be familiar with Robert P. Jones as the founder of PRRI and the author of two previous books, White Too Long and the End of White, Christian America.

His new book is the hidden roots of white supremacy and the path to a shared American future.

It is a compelling historical analysis of the roots of white supremacy that shows the connections between the lynching of three black circus workers in Duluth and the mass execution of 38 Dakota men in Mancato.

Between the murder of 300 African Americans during the burning of Black Wall Street and Tulsa and the Trail of Tears.

Between the murder of Emmett Till and the Spanish conquistador Hernando de Soto in the Mississippi Delta.

By excavating this history and telling the powerful stories of people reckoning with it today, Jones illuminates the possibility of a new American future in which we finally fulfill the promise of a pluralistic democracy.

The hidden roots of white supremacy and the path to a shared American future by Robert P. Jones is out now from Simon and Schuster.

Check the show notes for a special link to the book.

So your your day job is as a news editor, the San Diego Union Tribune, but you're an author who's written several great books.

Former or previously you wrote gangsters to governors, the new bosses of gambling in America, which earned medals from the independent publisher's book awards and the next generation indie book awards in 2018.

The book we're going to talk about today is soul winners, the ascent of America's evangelical entrepreneurs as listeners will know this book obviously hits home for me.

I'm from Orange County.

I focus in my work a lot on the history of evangelicalism and white Christian nationalism in Orange County in the Southland.

So it's just a real treat to get to sort of talk to you about this this book that really is in many ways sweeping in nature.

You you really do take us on a historical tour to force of the ways that evangelicals have been not only entrepreneurial, but innovative in the ways that they have worked with big business and other other partners in industry to advance their message.

And so let me start by asking you this, the book focuses on this relationship between big business and evangelical churches.

You really argue that there's kind of innovation on both sides.

So I'm wondering, you know, if we think about evangelical leaders in the 20th 20th century, the 21st century, what do they get from partnering with big business?

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