Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. Great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons.

Tariffs is leverage. Financial infrastructure is coercion. Supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

Over the past year, Donald Trump has pressured Canada in unprecedented ways. He has hiked tariffs on Canadian goods, threatened to impose

more, and even questioned Canada's sovereignty. And as a result, many countries are drawing the same

conclusions that they must develop greater strategic autonomy. To lessen Canada's dependence on the

United States, Carney has sought to strike new trade and security deals with countries around the world,

including China, but can Canada diminish its reliance on the U.S. economy?

And what would a lasting estrangement between Ottawa and Washington mean for the security of both countries in an increasingly uncertain world?

We understand that this rupture calls for more than adaptation. It calls for honesty about the

world as it is. We know the old order is not coming back, but we believe that from the fracture

we can build something bigger, better, stronger, more just. This is the task of the middle

powers. From the Council on Foreign Relations, welcome to the President's Inbox.

I'm Jim Lindsay.

Joining me today is Jonathan Berkshire Miller, a senior fellow at the McDonnell-Loria Institute

in Ottawa, Canada.

Jonathan, thank you for coming back on the President's Inbox.

Thanks so much, Jim, for having me back on.

I want to begin big picture,

if we may, Jonathan. Give me a sense of what the mood is in Canada these days in terms of U.S.

Canadian relations. Well, thanks, Jim. And generally, Canadians, I guess, like a lot of electorates, don't really focus on foreign policy too much.

But I think it's telling that in the last federal election, foreign policy, and in particular,

the relationship with the United States was the defining factor in the result of the prime

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