Can You REALLY Follow Jesus and Stay Silent on Politics? with Pastor Josh McPherson
I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST
Dr. Frank Turek
4.9 • 5.5K Ratings
🗓️ 10 April 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
Has the Church become more political in recent years? Or have politics drifted out of their lane and into the lane of the Church? Pastor Josh McPherson of Grace City Church in Wenatchee, WA, joins Frank to discuss why the Church must restart its God-given responsibility as the voice of morality in a secular culture.
They'll dive into Josh’s firsthand experiences of advancing the Kingdom through political engagement and why he believes the "evacuation" of Christians from the public square has created a dangerous leadership vacuum that is detrimental not only to people, but to the propagation of the gospel. Tune in as they answer questions like:
- How did a thriving conservative "megachurch" emerge in the liberal state of Washington?
- What did Josh witness during his recent interactions with President Trump and his team?
- How did the Biden Administration specifically target the religious freedoms of Christians?
- Why is the "separation of church and state" often misunderstood?
- What's the best way to love your neighbor?
- What's the difference between a theocracy and constitutional republic?
- How did the Bible influence the very structure of the American government?
- Does active political engagement make Christians more self-righteous?
- Why is the Church's voice essential for maintaining a first-world country?
- What is the Black Robed Regiment?
- How can Christians represent Jesus well in our everyday lives?
For more information on how to navigate the tension between loyalty to God's Kingdom and our responsibilities as U.S. citizens, be sure to visit Josh's website, Stronger Man Nation and register for the Freedom Con conference on Father’s Day weekend (June 19-20) as they call Christian men to show up, stand up, and speak up!
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| 0:00.0 | Ladies and gentlemen, what would you say about a man who was married, but he was only married when he was at home? |
| 0:11.0 | He wasn't married when he was at work. He wasn't married when he was online. He wasn't married when he was out with his buddies. |
| 0:19.0 | He was only married when he was at home. |
| 0:23.4 | You would say, well, this man is not really committed to marriage then. |
| 0:27.0 | He's trying to do something to his wife that he shouldn't be doing. |
| 0:31.9 | He's not really devoted to her, obviously. |
| 0:36.1 | Well, ladies and gentlemen, why do we as Christians think we just need |
| 0:39.2 | to be Christians, maybe just in church, maybe at home, but we're not going to be Christians |
| 0:44.2 | at work. We're not going to be Christians online. We're not going to be Christians in the voting |
| 0:49.7 | booth. We're not going to be Christians out there in our community. We're only going to be Christians at church and at home. Would that be a real devotion to Jesus? |
| 1:00.2 | I mean, what area of your life should not be run by Jesus and the apostles? Or what area of your life should you not follow Jesus and the apostles? |
| 1:12.7 | That's what we're going to talk about today with a brand new friend of mine who I've seen on so |
| 1:17.7 | many podcasts and I just admire the guy so much because he's a leader among men. |
| 1:22.5 | He is the great Josh, not McPherson. |
| 1:25.6 | There's no fear in McPherson. |
| 1:31.9 | He is the great Josh McPherson all the way from the middle of Washington State, ladies and gentlemen, where, all right enough, where he has this huge church, |
| 1:39.6 | Josh, you're not supposed to have a huge church in the middle of Washington State. What's going on? |
| 1:43.1 | How did this happen? Who are you? I love you, Frank. I've never met anybody like you, bro. This is fun. |
| 1:51.8 | This is fun. What was your question? I loved your introduction. So good. I want to know how |
| 1:58.1 | you are a pastor, an evangelical Bible believe in, the Bible's |
| 2:04.4 | inerrant pastor with a big church in the middle of the People's Republic of Washington. |
| 2:10.6 | You're in some town in the middle of Washington. I can't pronounce the name. It's an Indian name. |
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