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Curiously Kaitlyn

Can women lead in church? Part 1

Curiously Kaitlyn

Phil Vischer

Religion & Spirituality

5759 Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Kaitlyn and Skye Jethani go over the different kinds of complementarianism, the verses used to justify it, and how weird this becomes in practical application.

 

0:00 - Theme Song

 

2:30 - What Does “Complementarian” Mean?

 

7:43 - Nature vs. Culture

 

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20:30 - Biblical Justifications

 

44:40 - Books on Complementarianism

 

47:50 - End Credits

 

Tell Her Story: How Woman Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church by Nijay Gupta:

https://a.co/d/czUeSpI

 

Women in Ministry: Four Views (Spectrum Multiview Book Series) by Bonnidell Clouse, Robert Clouse, Robert Culver, Susan T. Fox, Walter L. Leifeld, and Alvera Mickelsen: https://a.co/d/0evVUea

 

Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood: A Response to Evangelical Feminism by John Piper and Wayne Grudem: https://a.co/d/erWUkcF

 

Neither Complementarian Nor Egalitarian: A Kingdom Corrective to the Evangelical Gender Debate by Michelle Lee-Barnewall: https://a.co/d/1zzEXau

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey friends. We're taking a little break from our usual Curiously Caitlin episodes for the next two weeks. But don't worry, we're not leaving you empty-handed. One topic we get questions about all the time is the topic of women in pastoral leadership. And a few months ago, Sky and I actually recorded two getting schooled episodes digging into that very topic.

0:23.5

So for the next two weeks, we're bringing that conversation here.

0:28.6

This week is part one, where we'll talk about complementarianism and the biblical arguments behind it.

0:32.3

Next week, we'll come back with part two on egalitarianism.

0:40.6

Our goal is to give the best version of both sides of the argument and help you think well about this really important and often personal question.

0:47.5

Also, a friendly reminder that getting schooled episodes are usually exclusively for Holy Post Plus subscribers.

0:55.3

So if you like this kind of content and want more of it, make sure to subscribe to Holy Post Plus to get access to all of the getting schooled episodes along with all of the other great content on Holy Post Plus.

1:02.5

I don't know.

1:06.1

That doesn't make any sense.

1:09.1

What?

1:10.2

Curiously.

1:11.6

Hey, yeah.

1:13.6

All right, kids, take your seat.

1:19.6

School is in session.

1:21.6

Soon to be Dr. Chess.

1:23.6

Are you, you're not officially a doctor yet.

1:24.6

No, no, we've got a while.

1:26.6

Professor Chess. Professor Chess is in the classroom.

1:31.3

Hi, Caitlin.

1:32.3

Hi, Sky.

1:33.3

We're getting into it now.

1:35.3

I feel like we've been working at this for a couple years doing these getting schooled episodes, and now we have hit the big time.

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