I'm Alan Alder and this is Clear and Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

We don't know if we actually still can solve this problem.

The momentum of the physics is enormous, but the best science indicates we still have

a few years.

We still have a narrow window that is closing fast.

So let's absolutely give it everything we've got for the next few years.

And whatever that means, whether it means some of us end up in jail or it means people

give money that is painful to give or whatever it is they do, that's what has to be done

if we're to have any hope here.

Ms. Bill McKibbin, who for 30 years has been writing perceptively and passionately about

the existential risks to the planet posed by climate change.

In our conversation, we talked about why irrefutable facts get ignored.

Why now is our last hope to rescue our children and grandchildren and grandchildren from a

brutally different world.

And how the COVID virus is a timely reminder of how we should be thinking about and taking

action on climate change.

I'm so excited to be talking with you today because you really help get the ball rolling

in a major way about climate change.

And I have to tell you, I get asked probably more about how to communicate about climate

science, about climate change than any other subject.

And in the past 30 years, since you've got the ball rolling, what's

changed for you in the way you communicate about it?

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