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Hello and welcome to the Red Box Politics Podcast on The Times.

I'm Matt Chorley at a special edition of the podcast recorded live in Birmingham. It is a huge pleasure to be here at the Electric Cinema the first time you've ever recorded

actually inside a red box. The room was painted at great expense this morning just to make sure you could all enjoy it.

I'm absolutely delighted to be joined by a stellar panel to try and answer the essay question.

Can the toys survive and should they? I'm joined by Times columnist, Hugo. The runs the onward think tank and Patrick Kidd the Times sketch writer please welcome the more

Let's start with you Patrick's I know you've been here sometime give time. Give us a sense of the mood at the conference.

It's weird.

It feels like there's a couple of different conferences going on at the same time.

So I don't know if any of you have been into the conference

at all, because next to no one has, it seems.

And when you're in, I mean, the Foreign Secretary

gave his speech to a room that was harmful.

Ruth Davidson, who is, you know, it loved in the Tory party.

Her speech this afternoon was again, it was uncluttered with members.

And yet you go to the fringes.

Dominic Rarp was a packed out event at the I.A. this afternoon and also on the

remainder side as well, Anna Subbury and Justin Greening was speaking at an

event and that was again patch the rafters.

So it seems like people really don't want to listen to the cabinet

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