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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Can Luxury Brands Rebuild Trust With Customers?

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Business, Fashion & Beauty, Arts

4.5813 Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Instead of his usual place in the host’s seat, BoF founder and CEO Imran Amed appears this week as a guest in an interview with Jonathan Wingfield, editor-in-chief of System Magazine, alongside Luca Solca, senior analyst of global luxury goods at Bernstein — as featured in the second issue of System Collections.


Recorded in late October, their discussion maps a luxury market defined by expectation swings, tighter cost control and headline creative resets, with pricing and value now at the centre of the consumer equation. Amed and Solca examine how luxury groups are refocusing, why design-led and more accessibly priced players are gaining ground, and the conditions required for a genuine comeback at the top end.


“Everyone seems to be fascinated with the ultra-wealthy spending, exorbitant amounts of money, but they are not the majority of the market — they are a portion at most,” says Solca.


Amed agrees. “Nobody out there really thinks any of these prices are justified,” he says. “One of the big conundrums facing the industry is, how do they restructure that pricing pyramid? They can’t just reduce prices on the existing products that are in their core collection because that’s almost an admission of having broken that ceiling down.”


Key Insights:

  • After years of price hikes, the industry hasn’t just met its price ceiling — it “broke through that ceiling, smashed it to bits,” argues Amed. The core dilemma now is rebuilding the pricing pyramid without publicly walking back on prices. “I just think some of the executives in the industry are just completely out of touch with how the average customer feels. That’s not just aspirational middle-class customers, that’s also the ultra wealthy customers. Nobody out there really thinks any of these prices are justified,” says Amed.


  • Solca warns that chasing the top end customer cannot be the only approach for brands. “Everyone seems to be fascinated with the ultra-wealthy spending exorbitant amounts of money, but...they are not the majority of the market. They are a portion at the most,” says Solca.


  • However, price inflation at the very top has created space just below what’s considered traditional luxury for design-led brands with sharper value. “It’s opened up a really interesting opportunity for smaller brands that are highly creative,” Amed says. He points to labels “just below luxury and just above US contemporary,” where distinct product and accessible pricing meet demand for uniqueness.


  • For Amed and Solca, the formula for success is for brands to bridge their DNA with the cultural zeitgeist and deliver real value to customers. Chasing trends that deny what a house stands for won’t work, like “Gucci trying to look quiet is like a zebra camouflaging as a lion,” says Solca. Amed adds the customer value test in “the relationship between what a customer pays and the perceived value of what they get in return.” If brands fail that test, “they’ll be less and less a part of that overall mix of what customers spend their money on.”


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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion.

0:08.3

Welcome to the BOF podcast. It's Friday, December 5th.

0:12.6

This week, I'm stepping out of the host's chair and into the hot seat.

0:17.2

Back in late October, I sat down with System Magazine's editor-in-chief, Jonathan Wingfield,

0:22.8

and Bernstein's global luxury analyst Luca Sulkah for another wide-ranging conversation on the

0:29.5

state of the luxury industry. A lot has happened in fashion since then, so consider this a

0:34.7

snapshot of where the industry stood just over a month ago.

0:39.0

A sector caught between conflicting signals, tentative signs of recovery,

0:43.9

aggressive cost discipline, and a wave of headline creative resets,

0:48.2

all playing out against a backdrop of shaky consumer confidence.

0:52.9

In particular, Jonathan asked Luca and I what we thought

0:56.2

brands needed to do about their exorbitant prices. I mean, after years of these relentless price

1:02.7

hikes of the bags, do you think we're finally near the ceiling on bag prices? I don't think we've

1:08.6

hit the ceiling. I think we like broke through that ceiling, smashed it to bits. I don't think we've hit the ceiling. I think we broke through that ceiling, smashed it to

1:13.4

bits. I just think some of the executives in the industry are just completely out of touch with how

1:19.4

the average customer feels. And by the way, that's not just aspirational middle class customers. That's

1:25.5

also the ultra wealthywealthy customers.

1:28.6

Even rich consumers, as Zimbrandt was saying, I'm finding it peculiar at the very least

1:35.0

that they now have to pay two times or three times as much for the same product that they

1:40.4

were paying before COVID. That is very difficult to justify.

1:45.1

So let's dive in and examine where the luxury sector goes next,

1:49.4

from rebuilding pricing architecture to aligning brand DNA with the zeitgeist

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