This is the Guardian.

Just before we begin, this is a podcast series about

strutting and some people might find parts of it difficult to listen to.

In the last episode, Matthew's victims told me about the day they finally faced him in court.

At the moment he was handed a nine-year jail sentence, a sentence he plans to appeal.

But there's still someone we haven't heard from.

A house surrounded by electric gates and security cameras.

Inside, Donna's waiting for us.

Nervous, but friendly.

I was going to go to Matthew yesterday.

I said, maybe you were coming and normally phones make just a six-plot.

So I might get interrupted.

The first thing Matthew's mum does is make us a WT.

There's a small, yappy dog macing around the picture, knowing I'm chute-oy.

I hope that you haven't met anxious about meeting us.

I know it's quite stressful.

We're not bad people.

We're really not.

We've been through so much.

Life's unheld.

Press the pause button.

And that's it.

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