Hey, everybody. This is the ACLU's podcast at Liberty, and I'm your interim host with the interim

most, W. Camille Bell. President Biden made history by openly opposing the death penalty

when he initially ran for office. And while he did recently commute the sentences of nearly 1,500 people,

he has yet to take permanent action and commute any death sentences.

But it's not too late.

In the waning days of his presidency, he can use his clemency power to commute the sentences

of all 40 people on federal death row and slow down Trump's plans to expand the death penalty in his second term.

Not only as Trump signaled, he'll fast track federal executions, he's also threatened to expand the categories of crimes punishable by death and sentence more people to die.

That's why today I'm speaking to Cassie Stubbs, director of the ACLU Capital

Punishment Project, about why President Biden must commute the sentences of people on federal

death row and what we can all do to bolster the pleas of those on death row. But first, we'll

hear from Herman Lindsay, Executive Director of Witness to Innocence, an organization of by and four death exoneries.

Lindsay himself served three years on death row for a crime he did not commit, and he experienced firsthand the bias, unfairness, and cruelty of the death penalty.

Let's check it out.

Herman, how you doing this morning?

It's an honor to be here today.

I'm very excited about this.

And I want you to understand when you, if you have any questions that, you know, you

want to ask it, I mean, it does.

If it's personal or you think it's off the wall, you know, feel comfortable to ask because I'm a strong believer that if, you know, those questions you think that is kind of too personal or, you know, too sensitive, it's important that those type of questions get answered.

So some people can get the real terms that they need to understand what we're talking about.

Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

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