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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, spectators daily pod 6 podcast.

I'm Katie Bulls and I'm joined by Cindy you.

James Clevverley is in Beijing and this is the first time a senior UK government figure has gone

in five years. Cindy he's already given a clip to the BBC in which he defended his decision to go

there. What do you think is the purpose of the trip? So I think that on the surface of it the foreign

office for example has said things like raising human rights issues things like international

security, you know, China's role in ending the conflict in Ukraine, global challenges that

James Clevverley has talked about before like climate change, all of these things that you need

China's buy-in for. But I think there will be a couple of other reasons for James Clevverley to go as

well. For one, Richie Suneak is going to the G20 summit next week in India.

She's not confirmed to go yet but if he is going in the British side to have suggested that they

be keen to have a heads-of-state meeting that's not been confirmed yet so if James Clevverley can

pave the way for that I think that will be a boon to the Suneak government. But also as you know

Katie Suneak has been trying to make AI a big part of his appeal in this government. They're having

an AI conference in Blechley Park in November. If they can have the Chinese on board for that conference

then the UK can absolutely say we are a global convener of AI even though in terms of the industry

itself you know we're not one of the massive players but we can convene on regulation and that kind

of stuff. But if you don't have the Chinese around the table for that then you can't really make

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