Can Artificial Intelligence Be Controlled? With Tristan Harris & Aza Raskin
This is Gavin Newsom
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🗓️ 15 May 2026
⏱️ 95 minutes
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Summary
Governor Newsom sits down with Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin of Center For Humane Technology to talk about the rapid rise of artificial intelligence and the challenges it presents for governments and individuals.
They discuss how policymakers are thinking about AI regulation, whether current institutions are equipped to keep pace with the technology, and how the global competition for AI leadership could shape the future of tech. Harris and Raskin also talk about their new film, The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist, and why the conversation around AI needs to be about more than just the risks.
00:00 Intro 00:52 The Potential Impact of AI 7:14 Lessons from Social Media 11:58 How Did We Get To AGI? 20:05 Open Source vs. Proprietary 25:46 What Incentives Are In AGI Investment? 30:15 AI Safety Concerns 39:33 The Speed of AI Evolution 45:20 Regulating AI 52:30 Are The Right People In Charge? 59:05 What Should California Do? 1:10:03 Job Market Impact 1:16:50 Innovation & A Pro Human Future 1:21:46 Elections & Politicians
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| 0:00.0 | fear of all of us losing has to become greater than the fear of me losing to you. Now, China doesn't |
| 0:06.4 | want the financial system to collapse. It's the let it rip administration. What to do about AI? Am I going to |
| 0:12.3 | lose my job? What about safety? Cyber security? What about privacy? A new documentary is out |
| 0:19.5 | answering all of those questions promise peril truth |
| 0:22.6 | trust should we be pessimistic should we be optimistic it's called the AI doc and two of the |
| 0:29.0 | principal participants in that documentary tristan harris and aza raskin are up next on this is |
| 0:36.3 | gavin usy Azar Raskin are up next on this is Gavin Newsom. |
| 0:46.1 | This is Gavin Newsom. |
| 0:49.0 | And this is Tristan Harris and Azaraskin. |
| 0:53.3 | This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. All right. So you guys, you're on the back end now, this world tour. You guys have been all over the damn place. Yeah. And you launched it, and it's on the basis of a movie that you, you didn't necessarily, it's not your movie, but you participated in a movie. That's right. |
| 1:10.9 | This new documentary that was released, what, a month ago? |
| 1:14.1 | Yeah, but a month and a half ago, the AI doc or how I became an apocalyptic, our friends, |
| 1:18.9 | the directors of everything, everywhere all at once, we chatted with them several years ago |
| 1:23.6 | when we first really recognized the situation we were in and asked them for their help to help create a movie to clarify the AI situation. And long story short, we'll talk about it. But we got the directors of Navalny involved and its whole team came together and tried to make a movie that would clarify the predicament that we're facing. Kevin, do you remember seeing the film the day after? Of course. |
| 1:44.7 | Well, I mean, I want to, maybe I was alive. It was what? It was the early 80s or something, right? 82 or 83. Yeah, 82, 83. Yeah. It was like a 7 p.m. Tuesday night. Exactly. Every human being on planet Earth. The largest synchronized television event in human history, in terms of the number of people seeing the same thing at the same time, |
| 2:03.7 | uh, |
| 2:04.1 | besides probably the Olympics, it was a made-for-TV movie about what would happen if there was nuclear war. |
| 2:10.1 | And it's not as if people didn't know what nuclear war was, but there's something about we didn't really want to think about it or confront it. |
| 2:16.7 | Like, why would you? |
| 2:17.9 | And I think the people who made that film were trying to create this kind of collective |
| 2:23.2 | confrontation because the film was aired in the Soviet Union, like five years, no, I think |
| 2:27.4 | five years later, right before the Reichivik Accords, the first arms control talks. |
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