I've been thinking about what we could change to make the United States a safer place.

Changing gun laws so that we're more safe. Changing how we think about radicalization. After El Paso,

after Dayton, you might be feeling like nothing ever changes.

But I write about cities in design for Slate, and there's one thing that is definitely changing.

The way we design buildings.

I'm Henry Grabar filling in today.

Hi, Henry.

Hi, Janine.

And that's Janine Katab.

She's one of architecture's most vocal practitioners on this subject. You're an architect, right?

Yeah, I'm an architect, and I focus on educational spaces. So schools, K-12, higher ed, the whole slew of learning environments.

I want to ask about how you got into this work, which might be kind of a heavy question,

because I read that you were a student at Virginia Tech in 2007.

Yeah.

I was a ready an architecture student.

I was a third year at Virginia Tech, and the shootings happened in 2007.

It was a hard time.

I knew four people who were killed during the shootings.

One was a really good friend of mine.

We were co-chrogographers together for a dance

troupe. The day before the shooting was our huge performance that we had been practicing for

the entire year. And the next morning, we found out that my friend Rima Samaha, she was one of the

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