Kelly has hired her first full-time human employee. If you put the AI in the leadership position,

aren't you inherently kind of staying inside of consensus? The role of the orchestrator or the person

controlling AI is to figure out where there are views that are correct, but diverge from the

consensus. There's tons of $10 million ideas laying around.

Perhaps that's the low-hanging fruit.

My end goal for Kelly is that she will be able to come up with idea, build whatever she needs,

market and sell that software.

If anyone can do that over the weekend, what are the moats? I think the most

difficult part of building something like Kelly is knowing exactly what the user wants.

Autonomous AI agents is the killer use case. The crypto industry has been waiting for.

You have marketplaces, then you have commerce that's all running on crypto rails.

And when it exists, I don't see a reason why it would run on Fiat.

Austin, welcome to bankless.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Good to be here.

First question, it's usually about our guests, right?

But I'm asked you a first

question about someone that you know, which is Kelly. Who's Kelly? Tell us about Kelly.

Man, Kelly, I'll tell you how Kelly started, which is very different from who Kelly is today.

But, you know, probably a month ago, we were snowed in in Austin for the first time in a while. So, you know, here in Austin, if there's half an inch of snow on the ground, it's total mayhem. There's no, you're not going anywhere. So we were snowed in for two or three days with not, you know, not very much snow on the ground, but stuck at home with my kids. And so I started playing with this new technology called OpenClawe that had just,

it'd come out like a week ago, but I hadn't had time to play with it.

And at the beginning of the little snowbreak that we had, I was like, okay,

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