This is what I mean when I say that it's a primordial document for the political apparatus,

as we've known it, since the early 80s,

to use it as an instrument to stop the current war is to actually endanger this entire apparatus.

And in many ways, I feel like, yeah, the late 1970s is, you know, has herald in a completely new political beginning for Egypt and for Egyptians,

beyond it just being a peace accord between it and Israel with,

you know, with some with some U.S. patronage. It's the new political era.

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Today we're really delighted to have with us an exceptional journalist from Egypt,

Lena Atala. Lina is an Egyptian media figure and a journalist. She is the co-founder and

chief editor of Madamazir, an independent online Egyptian newspaper, a news site that publishes

both in English and Arabic.

She was previously the managing editor of Egypt Independent prior to its suppression and closure in 2013.

Since receiving her degree in journalism from the AUC, the American University in Cairo,

Lena has been active in the fight to sort of expand press freedoms,

to shed light on the situations in Egypt and across the Arab region.

She has been arrested and harassed several times,

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