Cameron's Referendum
TALKING POLITICS
Catherine Carr
4.7 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 3 October 2019
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
David and Helen take a step back to unpick the tortuous history of how we got to the Brexit referendum in the first place. Does the justification Cameron offers in his new memoirs stack up? What was he trying to achieve? And why did we end up with an in/out vote when the political risks were so great? A conversation linked to David's review of Cameron's book in the current 40th anniversary issue of the LRB. https://www.lrb.co.uk
Talking Points:
Why did Cameron call for an in/out referendum?
- He wanted to reconfigure Britain’s relationship with the EU, not abolish it.
Let’s take the story back to 2004-2005 and the new constitutional treaty.
- The key question was consent.
- In Britain, there was a push for a referendum. Although Blair was initially opposed, he made a u-turn.
- But the Dutch and the French voted the treaty down before it could happen.
Then came the Lisbon Treaty.
- Brown decided that this was different than the constitutional treaty and he ratified it without a referendum.
- This creates a political problem. The Conservative Party opposed both the Lisbon Treaty and the way it had been legitimated.
The constitutional treaty made the EU wary of using referendums to legitimate treaties.
- But Cameron thought there would be another treaty—was this a mistake?
- The European Union Act of 2011 required a referendum for any treaty that would increase the power of the EU.
By December 2011, Cameron had two issues: the domestic politics of consent, and the risk of being a permanent minority on financial service matters.
- In 2011, it became clear that the ECB would pursue a policy that would make it more difficult for London’s clearing houses to be the center of European trading.
Ultimately, Britain could not fundamentally reconfigure its relationship with the EU.
- Cameron’s attempt to renegotiate became a perfect example of British weakness and fueled the Leave campaign.
For what is Cameron personally culpable?
- He knew that Leave could win, but he didn’t make contingency arrangements for leaving.
- When Leave won, the UK entered a constitutional crisis and Cameron just walked away.
Mentioned in this Episode:
- David’s review of Cameron’s memoir
- Cameron’s Bloomberg speech
- Macron’s 2017 Sorbonne speech
- More on Chirac
And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: lrb.co.uk/talking
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, my name is David Ronsman and this is Talking Politics. |
| 0:07.4 | Another Brexit episode I'm afraid but not the usual one. |
| 0:10.1 | We're going to go back to talk about David Cameron, his autobiography and his decision |
| 0:15.9 | to call the referendum. |
| 0:17.4 | Did he have to do it? |
| 0:19.0 | And if so, why? |
| 0:25.7 | Talking Politics is brought to you in partnership with the London Reviewer Books, which is celebrating |
| 0:30.3 | its 40th anniversary for the next few months with an unimprovable offer. |
| 0:35.3 | Get a year's subscription and a limited edition LRB tote bag for just ÂŁ40 by using the |
| 0:42.3 | URL lrb.me forward slash birthday. |
| 0:52.9 | So today it is just me and Helen Thompson. |
| 0:55.4 | I think I should give a little background to the conversation we're about to have because |
| 0:58.7 | Helen and I have had a version of it already or I asked Helen a question and she gave me |
| 1:03.0 | the answer and I thought we should share the answer with you because I learnt a lot. |
| 1:07.0 | So I've written a review for the LRB of David Cameron's memoir and in the review I talk |
| 1:13.7 | about something that became the big puzzle for me about his account of his time in office |
| 1:18.3 | which was not so much why did he call the referendum, although that's a question we're |
| 1:21.9 | going to get into, but why it was an in-out referendum because you can have other kinds |
| 1:27.1 | of referendums and indeed other countries have. |
| 1:30.0 | On EU membership that is in relation to treaties or other aspects of the relationship, not |
| 1:35.7 | just the absolutely blunt in or out question. |
| 1:40.0 | And the puzzle for me was that Cameron before about 2012 was making the case that an in-out |
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