The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please to the Call to The Call to Mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of God and the good of others.

Every week I host a conversation with the Christian who's pursuing world-class mastery of

their craft.

We talk about their path to mastery, their daily habits. their

daily habits and how their faith influences the work they do in the world.

Today's guest I could not be more excited about.

Cal Newport has been in my list of top five, maybe top three authors for years.

He's the author of mammoth bestsellers like Deep Work,

Digital Minimalism, so good they can ignore you

and his newest, a world without email.

Cal's also a computer science professor at Georgetown University.

So Cal and I recently sat down.

We talked about how we can escape the tyranny of our email inboxes,

how his career as a writer started out with a college dare, and why he

hears from pastors more than almost anybody else about deep work and digital minimalism,

you're gonna love this thought-provoking conversation

with my new friend, Cal Newport.

Cal, thanks for being here. Oh, my pleasure.

Thanks for having me. So we were just riffing before we start recording on video,

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