Yes,

in P. M was in this weird place in 0-5, 06, 07, in a lot of ways. One was creative. They just were all over the map. They're trying

reality shows. They're doing these terrible movies. They didn't know whether they were

going to, should they try to be like MTV? So all that stuff had kind of played out and they were in this

no man's land where ESPN the zone, ESPN the Gator Aid, ESPN 25, which everybody hated was a super self-congratulatory.

Look how great we are. E. S.P. and thing. So it was all this stuff like E.S.P. and

E. P. And you could really feel a backlash. It was the first time I think at that point in the history of the company there had been a backlash. People were like you're in my face too much, back off ESPN. FUC ESPN.

Sometimes there can be a little bit of natural sort of fraternal

rivalry, and I'll speak directly at it.

There might be some illusion here to the fact that Mr Simmons

occasionally got himself carried away as suggesting he was the creator and

he was the guy behind this and that's not the way our culture works right we have a

collaborative culture which almost instinctively always says well it wasn't me it was

a team oh it wasn't me it was somebody else.

And that's not the culture that most of entertainment gets made in, right?

People care a lot about whether their names are on something and they care a lot about getting a credit

and being an executive producer

whether they did anything or not.

That's kind of not been our culture. What if I told you, even if you've never seen a single one of the

Espens 30 for 30 sports documentaries? You may find the story of how the

award-winning series was conceived and shepherded

onto the air to be as fascinating as some of the tales told in the films themselves.

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