This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Wednesday, May 13, 2015.

I'm Caleb Brown.

What if all it took to render vast chunks of federal regulation unenforceable

with some civil disobedience and some generous people with vision.

Charles Murray believes it's both possible and promising.

He discusses his proposal in the new book by the people,

rebuilding liberty without permission.

We spoke last month.

Going through the first portion of your book, it seems like a pretty bad story,

and if this were an adventure about halfway through I'd be wondering well how are these

people going to get out of this?

So how did our Constitution get broken in the way that you describe? Well let me just outline first

what this first part of the book is trying to do. I think the title of the first part is

coming to terms with where we are because a lot of people who are libertarians, and for that matter, conservatives,

think, gee, if only we get nine good justices in the Supreme Court,

or even five, or only we got a big enough

margin in the House of Representatives and Senate and so forth and I'm saying in the

first five chapters forget about it. If you're talking about better policy in education or welfare or something, sure, you can get there

with those assets.

But if you're talking about rolling back the power of government, you can't get there

from here with the normal political process and the Constitution

is exactly illustrative of that.

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