Burnham Would Beat Starmer
Talk Breakfast
Ricky Freelove
4.3 • 763 Ratings
🗓️ 19 May 2026
⏱️ 89 minutes
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Mark Dolan reacts as Andy Burnham faced accusations of political contortion after retreating on EU rejoining and endorsing Rachel Reeves’s borrowing rules. Labour polling showed Burnham preferred over Starmer, while Wes Streeting’s leadership hopes suffered sharp rejection from party members. Wider favourability data suggest that Burnham could unite Labour’s fractured base, though Brexit-sensitive Makerfield remains a crucial test.
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| 0:00.0 | reacting to the big stories of the day live in the studio matt vickers mp and deputy chairman |
| 0:12.7 | of the conservative party good morning matt good morning plenty going on not on quiet week most |
| 0:17.0 | definitely and andy burnham i mean there's a joke about Andy Burnham, isn't there? |
| 0:21.2 | Which is a Corbynite, a Blairite and a brownite going to the pub. And the barman says, what do you want to drink Andy? And this is what Andy Burnham is. He's all things to all men, isn't he? That's it. Well, nobody's pinned him down. Nobody knows quite what he stands for. I mean, somebody said to me the other day, maybe the answer to the country's problems is just more yellow buses. That might solve everything. That's all we know about Andy Burnham. He's a guy who's on it for the buses, is northern. I mean, to be fair, people from the north tend to be quite sound, don't they? So maybe he's got something going on there. But, yeah, |
| 0:54.2 | I'm not quite sure what he sounds, but I don't think anybody does, other than the fact he is not |
| 0:58.3 | Kea Stama. Those bizarre paws, so you saw the polls that seem beating Stama. That wasn't the |
| 1:04.5 | story there. The story was actually the fact that Stama would be streeting, just 4% of |
| 1:10.6 | Labour voters said they would vote for |
| 1:12.8 | streeting versus 30 something percent voting to keep Stama. That is insane. How unpopular do you |
| 1:18.9 | have to be to be less popular than Kea Stama? And streeting is unpopular with the |
| 1:24.8 | membership because he's too right-wing. Is that essentially the top and bottom of it? |
| 1:28.3 | Well, I think more real is about, maybe he's just less popular. Actually, when you'd see Starm, I don't think Stam, you know, he doesn't really stand for anything. That's part of the problem we've got in government. He arrived. |
| 1:37.3 | Yeah. He's the prime minister of the country. Isn't really doing anything other than spending huge amounts of money on peer rises for unionised industries |
| 1:45.9 | and increasing that welfare. But he doesn't stand for anything. You can't really be offended |
| 1:50.3 | by him other than the fact he's just a failure and fails to judge anything correctly. |
| 1:54.3 | Well, is Andy Burnham overrated? And will Labour voters find that out should he become Prime |
| 2:00.4 | Minister? Well, the people of Makerfield might be about to find that out. We might be about to find that out should he become Prime Minister? |
| 2:03.6 | Well, the people of Makerfield might be about to find that out. |
| 2:05.8 | We might be about to find that out as a country. |
| 2:10.0 | I think it's quite a tall order for him to get elected in Makerfield and get elected as leader of the Labour Party. |
| 2:12.8 | I can't quite see it coming off. |
| 2:14.8 | Really? So you think perhaps Nigel Farage could thwart his efforts to get back into the House of Commons? You think that actually reform could well win this? I mean, we've been talking about, the thing is we've been talking about Stama going for a long time. It hasn't happened yet. And the solution to the problem is apparently burn and winning against the odds in Makerfield and then going on to become |
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