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They were stories that jolted the US intelligence community and created an international

uproar. An NSA contractor had stolen a huge cache of highly classified documents,

revealing stunning details about the reach of the agency's surveillance.

The NSA was scooping up the records of phone calls made by millions of American citizens,

and secretly intercepting emails and other communications by tapping into the servers of big US

internet companies like Google and Yahoo. The contractor, of course, was Edward Snowden,

who ever since those stories broke in 2013, has been a fugitive from US justice,

living in exile in Moscow, courtesy of Vladimir Putin's government.

Now, one of the original reporters who got that document, Dump, Bart Gelman,

has written a new book, Dark Mirror, Edward Snowden, and the American surveillance state,

that recounts the behind-the-scenes story of his own extensive dealings with the self-styled

whistleblower. We'll talk to Gelman and get his take on the still reverberating impact of Snowden's

disclosures on this episode of Skull Duggery's Buried Treasure.

Because people have got to know whether or not they're presidents of Kruv, well, I'm not a Kruv.

I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostage. My heart and my best intentions still

tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. I did not have sexual

relations with that woman. There will be no lies. We will honor the American people with the truth

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