Greetings podcast listeners this is Cina Romani producer of the Red Nation podcast.

I'm really excited to have you listen to a preview of an episode I released today,

May 15th Nackba Day with Professor Francis Haso of Duke University.

Professor Haso is the author of, among other books, the most recent,

Buried in the Red Dirt, Race, Reprodu reproduction, and death in modern Palestine.

We talk about her thesis, we talk about biopolitics, we talk about the nature of the

Zionist conquest of Palestine.

If you're interested in the stuff that we discuss in this preview, you can listen to the entire conversation by checking out my show, The East is a podcast.

You can get it wherever you get your podcast or you can watch the episode on YouTube

I've been going to Palestine since 89. I was there in the first Intifada as a pretty young person and because I wanted to be there.

So the way I did this trip is I spent eight days, it's the way Palestine is organized. I spent about eight days in Jerusalem because it's just so difficult.

So, and most of those days I was in Jerusalem except I went to Haifa for one day just on a day trip.

And so Jerusalem was just, you know, beautiful as always, but Palestinian, but it's very tense, it's very tense.

The old city is always tense. They, you know, basically businesses are barely, they stay for

Sumud, but the tourist industry is dominated by the Israelis.

And a lot of the property, including the business property,

is Wachf.

And so, and a lot of property.

That's the Jordanian religious authority, right?

Like, or like the Sunday Jordanian, yeah.

I mean, Wokfiz like exists, right, all over,

but, but yeah, the Jordanians are still in charge of Wokf.

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