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The Mark Divine Show

Building Big Trust with Dr. Shade Zahrai: Unleashing Potential and Overcoming Self-Doubt

The Mark Divine Show

Mark Divine

Self-improvement, Alternative Health, Education, Health & Fitness

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Most people think confidence comes from success. In reality, confidence comes from self-trust—and most people never learn how to build it. In this episode of The Mark Divine Show, Mark sits down with Shadé Zahrai, award-winning leadership strategist, Harvard-trained researcher, and author of Big Trust. Together, they unpack why: Self-doubt is not the enemy—it’s a signal - Psychological safety fails when people don’t trust themselves - Waiting to “feel confident” keeps people stuck...

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I have always been fascinated by people.

0:32.2

I've always been an observer.

0:33.5

I remember sitting at a cafe at a young age, just watching people.

0:37.0

So not actually in the conversation with the people around me, but just watching other people. They are fascinating. You know, you can talk about doubt being a signal, not something that's deceiving. What does that mean? There's a few layers to unpack here. So I'm going to take you back to when I was working within banking and finance. I had about eight to ten

0:54.5

different roles within a seven-year period. So I moved around a lot, which was encouraged

0:58.3

where we were. But something I noticed, there was a big discussion and a big movement around

1:03.4

building psychological safety, especially towards the end of my time there. Classic buzzwork, right?

1:08.3

Classic buzzwork. You know, super interestingly, I've never

1:10.9

shared this before. Hey, team, most people walk through life operating in a fraction of their

1:17.3

potential. Not because they lack discipline or desire, but because they haven't learned how to

1:22.6

train their minds. In a world that's increasingly volatile and chaotic, your physical,

1:27.2

mental, emotional,

1:28.4

and spiritual fitness is the differentiator. In the SEAL teams, we had a saying, if you're not

1:34.0

training your mind, someone else is doing it for you. And the results of that are clear,

1:38.9

stress, hyperarousal, distraction, and burnout. This is why I built the Unbeatable Tribe on school.

1:46.2

Inside, you'll train the same tools that I've taught SEALs, CEOs, athletes, and thousands

1:51.0

of optimal operators, such as breath control, emotional mastery, deep focus, integrated fitness,

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