Welcome to the Green Alliance podcast.

We are the charity and think tank that is all about achieving ambitious leadership for the environment.

In this episode, we'll be bringing you the highlights from one of our recent online events.

We were delighted to be joined by Mary Robinson, chair of the elders.

We know now that we have to listen to the health experts and policies complying with the health

experts. So too we must listen much more to the climate scientists. And it really is important

that government matters. Women are leading their countries well at the moment,

tough decisions in compliance with the science, and then bringing their people in a way that expresses

empathy. And Lord Nicholas Stern, chair of the Grantham Research Institute at the London School of

Economics. Economics has gone wrong for many years, well, a couple of centuries, or seeing in the

environment, as it were, as a servant of the economy, rather than something in which we

all sit and we're enormously dependent on its services, and we have to nurture them and

invest in them and respect them.

They provided us with an eye-opening discussion on how to ensure that the recovery from COVID-19

has the environment and social justice at its heart.

I'd like to start by asking Nick Stern the obvious question which is whether we can really get

the green recovery this time, one with

nature and climate at its heart. As we know, we've heard lots of positive statements from the

UK government, from the European Union. There seems to be a real willingness to do things

differently this time than after the economic crisis of 2008, 2009.

But elsewhere, we've seen the United States ripping up environmental laws,

we've seen Brazil, crashing the rainforest, we've seen China opening new coal mines.

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