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The last couple of days have been bumpy, right, in terms of like compute capacity at Chatsubit

and you're right.

You know, you kind of have to lean in, but you can't just expect this thing to be a straight

line.

It's like you're describing an employee who's coming in from the weekend with a hangover.

Let's hope it doesn't start drinking.

Yeah. in from the weekend with a hangover. Let's hope it doesn't start drinking. Welcome to Geekwire. I'm Geekwire co-founder Todd Bishop. My guests today are Adam Brotman and Andy Sack, co-authors of the book AI First, the playbook for a future-proof business and brand.

Adam Brotman was Starbucks chief digital officer and later co-CEO of J.Crew.

Andy Sack is a founder, investor, and longtime advisor to tech leaders, and together they run Forum 3,

a company that helps brands rethink loyalty and customer engagement.

Their book argues that the winners in this era will be truly AI first, human plus machine,

co-pilots and agents baked into the work.

We're going to talk about their holy shit moment with Sam Altman, the banker who did a week's

worth of work in 36 hours and what leaders should actually be doing.

Adam and Andy, it's great to have you here.

Todd, so great to be here in person.

Great to be here.

That's right.

So I've got Andy in the office in Fremont in Seattle.

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