We have got a powerhouse of a guest that you're going to want to see. So click down in the show notes below if you're listening audio-wise, wherever you're listening from, and go over to YouTube. So you can see Jack Callagher.

I met her at the Creative Educators Conference. I got it right. Fifth time to charm. Fifth time to charm.

Last, no, two weeks ago.

And as we were on the bus riding home, I invited you, Jackie on the podcast before really

knowing what we could talk about.

But just understanding that the listener would benefit from you being here and our conversation.

And so I told Jamie about you and here we are.

And we've already hitting it off even more than we did while we were at the conference together.

It's 20 minutes in and we're finally hearing record for the listener.

You can get it on this goodness, right?

Yes.

I love it.

Thank you so much for having me.

It's so nice to finally meet Jamie.

I've heard so much about you.

And I just can't wait.

I don't know where we're going to go, but I know wherever we go, the listeners are going to get something out of it.

And we can bless all the people, do all the things.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So dear listener, here's a little bit about Jack. So you get some context. She is a mother of four boys, devoted wife, and a daughter

to the most high king, Jesus. I will say Jesus. With over two decades of transformative

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