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A Thousand Natural Shocks With Gabe S. Dunn

Budget Justice with The Mamdani Transition Team’s Celina Su

A Thousand Natural Shocks With Gabe S. Dunn

Gabe Dunn | Diamond MPrint Productions

Education, Personal Journals, News, History, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, News Commentary

4.62.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Professor and author Celina Su joins the pod to talk about her new position on NYC mayor Zohran Mamdani’s transition team and about the outrageous misuse of budgets and what we can do about making change.


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0:00.0

I'm excited today because we have Selena Sue, who is a professor who wrote a book that I really enjoyed called Budget Justice.

0:07.9

And I had the pleasure of interviewing her in front of a big group of students earlier this year to talk about her book.

0:14.1

And I thought everything we were talking about was so amazing.

0:17.2

We got to have it on the podcast.

0:19.0

We know a little bit about our city's budgets. We know

0:23.1

that, you know, police get a big share of the pie. We know when not enough money is going to,

0:30.2

fixing the streets of potholes and creating bike lanes and visible crosswalks. We can recognize

0:36.6

more so when things are not being funded than when things

0:39.5

are being funded. But the thing is, a budget isn't just, okay, here's the things that we got

0:45.0

to map out for the city this year. It should reflect the public's priorities. We should be

0:49.6

actively involved in what our tax money and what our city funds. There's something I'd never heard of

0:55.5

called participatory budgeting, which is when communities are allowed to influence funding

1:00.5

decisions, and that creates a lot of transparency in budgeting. I, you know, seven months ago,

1:06.8

did not really know how to read a city budget. I've since become more able to, but even I am confused, and it takes a lot to dig into what does this mean?

1:18.4

And is this an authority that has to do with this?

1:20.4

And what is this connected to?

1:21.6

And as Selena and I talk about, it's made purposefully confusing because they don't really want people like me and you to hear

1:30.0

what's going on and be able to complain about it or not really complain. Do activism around it.

1:36.7

Allow for significant changes in budget allocation. So I really love the idea that you can just

1:41.5

create a budget proposal for something that you want

1:44.3

and propose it. It's your money. It's your city. So without further ado, here's our

1:50.6

incredible interview with Selena Sue. Oh, and just a little thing. After we had already

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