Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired widows, vandal,

hooligans.

I love the government, hug the government, hug the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government.

Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy.

I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist Michael

Baranowski. My guest today is George Mason University economist Brian Kaplan. Brian's been on the show

a bunch of time over the years because he keeps on writing interesting stuff. When I think of

Brian, I think, you know, he's sometimes wrong, but he's never boring.

He's, in fact, I think probably my favorite provocateur, and I am thrilled to have him on the show once again to discuss his latest collection, pro-market and pro-business.

Essays on L'Aze Fair.

Brian, welcome back.

Thanks a lot to have you back, Michael.

So I wanted to start with the title.

There's a big hand between pro market and pro business.

And what that suggested to me, and I think intentionally, is that some people can be

pro market, but not pro business, which seems weird to me. So maybe you can explain that a little

bit. Yeah, well, actually, the reason I gave it that title is there are a lot of people say,

I'm a free market economist. I love markets, but do not mistake me for some stooge who actually

likes business. Some of it is just like businesses are corrupt and in bed with the

government, but a lot of it is just sort of like an idea of like, actually, I don't trust

business. I don't like them. I like markets because it just puts these incredible shackles on

them so that they really have no choice but to go and do a good job.

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