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You know, many of them, I have to say, are given that their reason for fame is killing other people,

are not exactly, you know, people that you want babysitting your 13-year-olds.

You probably not want to have them over to the barbecue.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the co-host of the podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world.

On Wicked Words, I sit down with the people

I've met along the way, amazing writers, journalists, filmmakers, and podcasters who have

investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases. This is about the choices writers make,

both good and bad, and it's a deep dive into the unpublished details behind their

stories. We've heard from my buddy Brian Burrow before for one of his audible books based on a

true crime story. His new book is very different. It's called The Gunfighters, How Texas Made the Wild West.

I remember when you were saying to me, I'm going to write this book with two other authors,

which already I was like, well, okay, I don't know if this is going to work out. But then on top of that,

you know, you said with Forget the Alamo, this is just going to be a Father's Day coffee table book, and that's it.

Which it turned into a huge thing because it was myth busting, which is not dissimilar to what you did in this latest book.

Everybody wants to say the latest book is myth busting.

I think it's more myth confirmation,

but that's just me. Yeah, forget the Alamo was a strange one, as you noticed, just to go off and

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