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bulwark here with Will Summer, who is the author of False Flag, one of the most critically

acclaimed newsletters in the business. I don't know who's claiming it, but whatever. We'll run with

it. Will's got a good one this, what is it, Thursday? Yeah, Thursday. And it's been kind of creeping up on my social media feeds a lot, and he summarized it in a way that only he can, which is, there's like a real civil war breaking out in MAGA media over how to define Charlie Kirk's legacy following his assassination.

This is all transpired before he's been even buried, and it's getting

more and more heated. As usual, it involves Candace's own, and as usual, it involves

accusations that Jewish people are doing bad things. So that's where we're at. But we'll give us the

30,000 foot summary, and then I can pepper you with some questions on it.

Yeah. So basically at the core here is kind of a fight over Charlie Kirk's legacy, what he meant, what he would have wanted had he lived. And the stakes here are big because we're talking about Turning Point USA, his organization, which had countless volunteers and staffers, millions, tens of millions of dollars

at stake, and then this sort of media empire along with it.

And so basically, Candice Owens is kind of at the center of this.

This is the right-wing podcaster, superstar, who used to work with Charlie.

And she came out and said, you know, Charlie was turning against Israel in his final days and he was getting all these threats from donors. And then, you know, then he was assassinated. So, you know, make of that what you will. Put two and two together. Yeah. First of all, I like that you chose the most benign description for Candice Owens. Superstar, yes. Also embroiled in a defamation suit involving the

First Lady of France for claiming that Brigitte McCrown is transgender. So there's that element.

And even part of a centuries-old criminal cabal. We can never forget that part. I forgot. Forget

that element of it. And then on top of that, she's been let go of past employments because of

deeply anti-Semitic remarks, which may be impacting

what she says about Charlie Kirk in his, in this current moment. It's gotten so bad, though,

and it's not just her. Let's just start there for a second, because once she did this,

other people pile on. Yes. And, you know, what I should say is like, basically there was, it is true that even in, I was

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