As a writer, I attack and destroy bullshit.

Bruce Wagner has had a prolific and eccentric career.

Wagner just takes you straight to the contradiction.

Apocalyptic yet ultimately spiritual view of humanity as seen through the lens of Hollywood.

You are a fascinating character to me.

I want to enter the Wagner extended universe here.

I never wrote for a reader, ever.

I explore every forbidden place in myself.

And there's only one thing I'm really worried about from the moment I put my head on the pillow and it's book sales. What are my books sales?

Bruce, I'm delighted to have you here today. As I mentioned to you a moment ago, I just, I want to

enter the Wagner extended universe here and just kind of marinate in your ethos and sensibility.

I mean, you're somebody who has written many books, 15 now, 15 novels, something like that,

and effectively used Hollywood, as you have mentioned, as this laboratory for need and vanity,

as your sort of palette, as this mirror for human behavior.

Everybody has their longing and they are seeking, and what you're interested in is that kind of spiritual journey towards transcendence.

And it's the transcendent piece, it's the spirituality that is baked into all of this that interests me the most.

Yeah, you know, I, um, my nature is fiery and it's operatic, theatrical.

And it's, it's also,'s also laser-like, for me in my observational powers,

I've been thinking a lot about writers, the scent of writers,

the scent of a woman, the scent of a writer.

And what attracts, what is my scent and what themes or notions attract me?

Hollywood had a perfect scent for me because I was someone that was possessed by the notions of extremity,

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