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The Oath and The Office

Brown Shooting Fallout: Lies on X — Epstein Redactions

The Oath and The Office

Corey Brettschneider

Government, News, Politics

4.9591 Ratings

🗓️ 24 December 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

This week, host Corey Brettschneider, a Brown University professor, and co-host John Fugelsang begin with the latest confirmed developments in the Brown University shooting—and the parallel storm of disinformation on X that spread during the investigation: false accusations against a transgender student and a manufactured narrative about motive. We break down how these claims circulated, why they’re dangerous, and how to separate verified reporting from rumor—without naming private individuals or repeating unverified allegations.

Next: Congress votes to release more Epstein-related files, but the initial disclosures arrived heavily redacted from Attorney General Pam Bondi. What was released, what may still be withheld, and what Congress can realistically compel next. Plus: controversy around 60 Minutes after reports that a segment involving El Salvador’s CECOT prison was delayed amid accusations of political pressure. We close with an end-of-year rundown—key lessons from our Trump deep dives in 2025 and what we’re watching in 2026.

Release note: We’re sharing this episode a day early due to the Christmas holiday.

Listener note: This episode includes discussion of gun violence.




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0:00.0

Welcome to another episode of the Oath and the Office podcast.

0:13.0

I'm John Fugles saying, happy Christmas and happy Hanukkah and happy everything to all y'all.

0:17.0

So great to have y'all with us, and it's so great as always to welcome the star of our show.

0:22.1

Professor Corey Brett Schneider is a constitutional law scholar, a political philosopher, the author of the oath in the office and the presidents and the people, and he was kicked out of both KISS and the Wu-Tang Clan for being too hardcore.

0:35.6

The professor focuses on what democracy requires of those in power and what

0:39.8

happens when leaders actively violate those requirements. Corey, it's so good to see you. Happy

0:44.7

holidays to you and your family. Thank you, John. Happy holidays to you and your family and, of course,

0:49.7

to all the listeners. And what an intro, you know, was an aspiring. I loved old school rap as a kid and still do.

0:57.1

And so if only all that was true, I mean, it's the best intro yet.

1:02.6

Just the end part, you know, far from it.

1:05.9

Well, like I always like to say, hyperbole is worse than Nazis.

1:09.5

Okay.

1:10.4

So we have a lot we have to cover on today's

1:13.3

episode, a special holiday malfeasance edition between corporate power and the 60 Minutes crisis.

1:20.5

Of course, the Epstein files an inherent contempt, which I thought was just how my wife's family viewed me.

1:27.0

And we have to talk a bit about

1:29.7

dishonesty and how used we've all become to disinformation. Because this was the week where we found

1:39.0

out who was the perpetrator of the Brown University shooting. Of course, we lost Ella Cook,

1:45.7

19 years old, a sophomore from Mountain Brook, Alabama. She was the vice president of the Brown University shooting. Of course, we lost Ellicook, 19 years old, a sophomore from Mountain Brook, Alabama. She was the vice president of the Brown College Republicans and a musician.

1:50.5

Muhammad Aziz Umersikov was 18. He was a freshman from Virginia. He was an Uzbek American,

1:55.9

an aspiring neurosurgeon. Their deaths were completely senseless and their deaths were manipulated, as seems to be

2:03.5

the norm now, by actors looking to place, blame, and stereotype large groups of people. Professor,

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