Welcome to another episode of The Oath and the Office.

I am John Fuglesang.

It has been a week of unspeakable violence and loss, and it is a very solemn occasion and a very sad week. And I am very comforted by the

wisdom and warmth and humanity of my co-host, Professor Corey Bredschneider, who is, of course,

a Brown University professor. And Corey, welcome. It's good to see you. I know that this

horrible shooting on the Brown campus has probably affected you deeply.

Thank you, John. It is terrible. The events are unspeakable. We have two students who have been

shot and murdered, and both remarkable students by all accounts. And the campus, the census fear,

I was not on campus at the time of the shooting,

but I can speak to the fact that people are reeling. It's really quite horrible. And yet at the same

time, I would say that there's massive fear on the campus, because as of the time that we're

recording this, they still have not

caught the perpetrator.

There's no one in handcuffs.

People are extremely fearful.

But there is also at the same time a kind of resilience.

Just speaking to people, some of my students, for instance, work for the newspaper, the

Herald has been

furiously continuing to report on what's happening. Students are banding together. They're

making sure that no one's alone when they're going out at night. And at this point, I think

most of the students have left campus, but while they were still there, there was a sense of

solidarity. So it's one of the,

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