During this government shutdown, President Trump is turning his attention to funding earmarked for projects in Democratic states.

To break down the implications and offer some perspective, we're joined tonight by Brooks and K-Part.

That's New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart of MSNBC.

It's always great to see you both.

Good, Jeff.

So Jonathan, Democrats have long railed against shutdowns, but many of those same Democrats are now backing this one.

Senator Schumer, who was on this program back in March, he said the country avoided disaster when he voted to keep the government open.

Republicans are calling that out and saying it's hypocritical. In your view, why isn't it?

Well, one, we're talking about a shutdown caused by

Republicans not wanting to do something on health care. You can argue whether this is the time to do

it. Democrats have decided this is the time to do it, especially since letters are going out next

month to consumers on the American,

the Affordable Care Act exchanges, that their premiums are going to go up.

And then they're going to go up starting in the new year.

And so Democrats are saying, well, we've got to do something to help the American people.

And the Republicans basically say, no.

And I'm sorry, at the same time that they're saying no,

they're also saying, just trust us. Let's just reopen the government and then we'll talk about

this. The problem with that is, one, Democrats don't trust them, nor should they. Two, there are so

many other things that Republicans have to, that Congress has to get done in the seven weeks before the end of the year, the NDAA, which is a must pass defense bill.

Appropriations bills. Punchball reported this morning that there have been no talks between Democrats and Republicans about the appropriations bills that will be needed

to fund the government once they get past this. And so you think that Republicans, that Democrats

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