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Brooke on the Press in Times of War

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🗓️ 22 February 2023

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

This week we're airing an interview that Brooke did while on a fellowship at the American Academy in Rome. She and her husband Fred Kaplan (author of the War Stories column in Slate), sat down with Mark Hannah, host of the podcast "None of the Above," produced by the Eurasia Group Foundation.

From the Crimean War of 1853 to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine this year, journalists, reporters, and the media have shaped the public’s understanding of war. But do the stories we read and the photos we see provide an impartial picture of the wars they document? As Hannah recently explained in Foreign Policy, certain aspects of American war coverage—reliance on government sources and incentives to simplify geopolitics as battles between good and evil—have long compelled news organizations to tilt toward military action.

This interview originally aired on May 18, 2022.

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0:00.0

Hey, this is Michael O'Longer, and you're listening to the On the Media Podcast Extra.

0:05.1

This week we'll mark the one-year anniversary of Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

0:11.0

We've dissected the war in a number of ways, but this week we wanted to zoom out and

0:15.3

look at wartime journalism more broadly.

0:18.6

The interview you're about to hear, which originally aired in Spring 2022, was conducted

0:23.4

at the American Academy in Rome by Mark Hanna.

0:26.9

He's a senior fellow at the Eurasia Group Foundation and a self-professed OTM fanboy.

0:33.4

The interview is, our Brooke and her husband, Fred Kaplan.

0:37.3

Brooke was on a fellowship at the Academy when this was recorded.

0:40.4

Here's Mark Hanna.

0:41.4

It's 1854.

0:43.8

The Crimean War is in full swing.

0:46.8

It's a fight which pitted Russia against the Ottoman Empire, but it's drawn in some European

0:51.8

powers, France and England.

0:54.4

London Times reporter William Howard Russell was on the front lines, covering everything

0:59.2

he saw.

1:00.2

He wrote about it with a great deal of passion and immediacy.

1:03.8

He said, at 10 minutes past 11, they swept proudly past glittering in the morning sun

1:09.6

in all the pride and splendor of war.

1:12.0

At 35 minutes past 11, not a single British soldier except the dead and the dying were

1:18.6

left in front of the Muscovite guns.

1:21.4

He writes about the soldiers being ill-fed, ill-led and left to die on the field.

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