You're listening to the CyberWire Network, powered by N2K. Hello and welcome to Spycast from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C.

I'm Peter Ernest, the Executive Director of the Museum. I served for some

36 years in the Central Intelligence Agency, largely as what is called an Operations Officer

or a case officer.

Every month will be bringing you interesting talks with visitors,

with authors, with others who have something to do with the world of intelligence

and espionage. of the British Security Service, that is the Domestic Security Service,

MI5. The closest counterpart in our country would of course to be those elements of the

FBI which cover domestic security.

As Director General, she was recognized both for accomplishment as being both the first woman

Director General as well as her performance in that capacity. She has continued to speak out on

public issues. She has continued to pursue a career as both an author, her novels at risk and secret asset, both being available now in the United States,

as well as her autobiography.

And it is just delightful to have you here.

Stella has arrived to help us launch the latest museum initiative called Operation

Spy, which she has just toured. But let me start a conversation, Stella, if I may, in looking at

MI5, the Domestic Security Service in Great Britain and our FBI. I'm sure you're aware of the

conversation here in the United States about creating an MI5 in the United States. There are people who say no. The FBI is a law enforcement

agency that's the proper place to put it. They will be effective. Others say no

and my five have been extraordinarily effective in Great Britain. That's the way we should

go. And I'd be very interested in, I'm sure our listeners word, in your thoughts on that issue.

Well of course all countries organize their intelligence differently from each other and in a

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