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Conspirituality

Brief: Mehdi Hasan vs Jordan Peterson

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Spirituality, Social Sciences, Religion & Spirituality, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.22K Ratings

🗓️ 26 July 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Mehdi Hasan's recent Jubilee appearance has blown up—and so has criticism of the entire media operation. Derek and Julian discuss the value and pitfalls of this format, contrasting the far-right participants sitting across from Hasan from another recent episode, when atheists went to battle with Jordan Peterson. Show Notes 1 Progressive vs 20 Far-Right Conservatives (ft. Mehdi Hasan) Jordan Peterson vs 20 Atheists Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I've rolled out uni because I want to live at home.

0:02.5

I've ruled out uni because I want to earn money.

0:05.7

I've ruled out uni because of my grades.

0:10.1

Study with the Open University and there's no need to rule out anything.

0:13.9

With our respected degrees, you can learn from home and work alongside study.

0:18.1

We're open to all. Plus, you'll have the support of expert tutors.

0:22.7

So rethink your future with the degree you didn't think was possible. The Open University.

0:28.3

The future is open. Well, Julian, we're back on the Jubilee tip, and I didn't expect to return so soon, but the recent episode, which is called

0:39.6

One Progressive versus 20 Far Ray Conservatives, and it featured journalist Mehdi Hassan, has

0:45.9

absolutely blown up.

0:47.6

It's all over my social media feeds.

0:50.1

Along with it, there have been loads of criticism about the platform, including a resurfaced video of the founder of Jubilee, Jason Lee, saying that he told Silicon Valley investors that the platform was going to get a ton of clicks and make a lot of money when he was trying to raise money.

1:08.4

This fits into the broader issue we discussed a few weeks ago when we

1:12.4

looked at Jubilee on the main feed, which is, is it pure clickbait or is there important

1:17.5

context to be mined from the conversations? What do you think? Well, it's interesting, right? Because

1:23.3

Medi, of course, is getting a lot of, he's doing a lot of appearances off the back of this.

1:27.4

And the whole thing

1:28.4

is we don't debate fascists. And it's interesting because he's now getting all of this additional

1:34.0

exposure and discussion. And it's largely because during the recording, he refused to debate

1:40.5

fascists. When people revealed themselves as fascist, he said, fuck you, this conversation

1:44.2

is over. So it's this interesting sort of gray area. The last time we talked about Jubilee on our

1:50.2

air, I did say I have very mixed feelings about what they do, but there is also the fact that they're

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