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I am thrilled to have somebody with similar but different roots than I have, Darren Robes.

You are currently, of course, you have your own agency, Motorworks, CEO, founder.

You do a lot of things and you have for a long time in the classic car and the car community.

But your roots go back to the days when punk rock bands, I would say, were more prevalent, maybe.

As a Gen Xer, I cut my teeth going to punk rock shows in Kansas City, as well as being a

club promoter when raves were first starting to become a thing. So I'd love to hear how your journey

unfolded and how you elevated from one area creative musicianship to all the creativity

that you put into podcasting being a spokesperson and running an agency today sure i mean i think

ultimately it was a little bit of really easy stuff and a lot of really hard stuff that sort

of made that occur. The reality is, is that surprisingly enough, the collector car business is not

that different from the punk rock scene. A lot of the skills that I learned from punk metal and

hardcore, I have been able to apply pretty successfully to the classic car space.

So, I mean, you know, people ask me all the time, you know, what do you take from college versus

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