Music Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. Guys, you're in for real treat because we've been cracking up before we start recording. We have with us, Brianna, we'll, Brianna, let me see if I get your bio right and please interrupt me if I'm incorrect. You were one of the protagonists of Gamer Gate, which based on your political perspective was either about misogyny in video games or about honesty in gaming journalism. You ran for Congress twice as a Democrat. After years of online speculation, you finally came out of the trans woman for specific reasons. In recent years, you, although very much still on the left, have been increasingly critical of progressivism and the democratic party. And there were a couple of tweets that I saw, and you and I have both been around the internet for quite a long time, our paths have never crossed, or maybe we've had mean tweets shot at each other, rather than another. I don't remember. But what I want people to appreciate is there's this belief, delusion, I would say, on each side of the political aisle that the other side is all united and walk hand in hand. And I would ask people, if you're on the right, do you really think Jeb Bush and Donald Trump and JD Vance and Marjorie Taylor Green are all the same person or governed the same, it's not censical. Same with Hillary or Bernie or Mamdani or Andy Bashir, even if they would be Congress would vote the same way in the same bills. Their priorities are certainly not the same. And I think people don't understand on the right how fractured the left is in many ways. And I'd love to hear you speak on that from your perspective. Oh boy do I have opinions on that though? I think the bad guys are winning the nut jobs are clearly winning in the Democrat party right now So yeah, that's not good for us Well, I'd love to hear what you were the nut jobs and why do you like how would you characterize that was the God I mean the fact that Mandani is like the mayor of New York This is absolutely terrifying. This is someone's a straight up socialist. He is someone that is very sympathetic to this islenist political project. You know, he's somewhat clearly does not value the national security of the United States. And I don't think I'm the only Democrat going, if this is the future of our party, if this person is a standard bearer, who am I voting for? Because I've got my differences with the right wing, but I think America should exist. I think we should have a national security strategy. I don't think Osama bin Laden was the good guy in that scenario. So I don't know. It's some scary times to be a Democrat. Well, let's, let me, there's two tweets that you had that really caught my eye and let's

talk about this one. What's interesting is I've had to deal with and you probably had to deal this as well. A few years of the following. Brianna, I'm going to say something that's going to get me fired, cancel, and pop, sleep, put in jail. Are you ready? Yes. Are you ready? Let's do it. Let's do it. man are two genders, man in movement, Mike drop, and this was daily for years, and if conservatives have issues with the trans movement as you do as well, they just stop talking about it. It completely went away on the right, which to me is insane, and also speaks to what extent online discourse is about finding a group to fixate on, and then just forgetting about them. The issues in California, I have a friend who is, sorry for the long question, I have a friend who's a shrink, it is now the law in California that if you have questions with your gender identity, you have to be pushed towards transitioning or that shrink can lose their license, whereas you and I are both, you know, no spring chickens. Kids growing up, if you're a little boy who plays with the Barbie, you're not trans. If you're a girl like softball, you're not trans, you could just be a jock. It's perfectly fine. But in California, and if that like, liberal white mom sees that little boy touching the color pink, she's got them to the the doctor five minutes. It's some really scary stuff going on

And you know, I hope I can dig into this in a really difficult way. So let me just give you a flat out numbers I was the stereotypical kind of like you know early onset trans kid you can imagine playing with Barbies Obsessed with drawing princesses. We like very shut down emotionally when you ask me to play at the boys obsessed with girls, all that kind of stuff, right?

Like we get yelled out for my speech patterns,

every single part of it. And the stats, even with all those symptoms, the symptoms dead on in the DSM for transexualism, early onset, transexualism, my odds were about 9-1 in 10 of growing up to be an actual transform. And 9 in 10 of just growing up to be a gay man. And you can't push these kids with this BS ideology. You need to let them figure it out themselves. Don't punish them if they have a feminine mannerisms. Let them grow up like kids do. But it drives me crazy to see this progressive political project to introduce all this doubt into school. It is deeply unhelpful. And we see the outcome, which is there are armies of these natal females. They're being told that if they get on testosterone, it's going to fix all their problems. And it does, they are detransitioning. Their bodies are, my friend Abigail Shryer says correctly, irreversibly damaged. This is horrible public policy. And I say this as a trans woman that feels 10 out of 10 strongly about people having access to care, but you've got to get the politics out of it. You and I are about the same age and this is my hypothesis. I remember growing up as I'm sure you do as well. It was extremely common for young women in high school to have eating disorders. I would say a majority of girls went through that at a certain period. And I think it's the same psychology now that if you feel uncomfortable with your body as these women who in our time would have had a bulimia rexae which is very fixable. Now they're being,, you're uncomfortable with your body. That means your trans, let's get you to do

something that is like you said irreversible. It matches how much worse it is for them. Like in the 90s, like, I don't, like the girls in my high school were pretty, but you look at Instagram today, like it's just no contest. So it's the other day, these girls are drowning in an infrastructure that tells them you do not look like this false ideal.

You're not actually a woman.

And of course they they're depressed about that. They feel inadequate. They feel awful about their bodies. We have so much psychology to show this. It should not be a surprise to anyone that they are going out there and thinking, well, if I'm not literally barbie, maybe I must be a man. And this is horrifically damaging. We need all this nonsense out of the schools. If trans kids exist, you know, give them space to figure themselves out. But, you know, the, the, the protocol that I grew up with and the better protocol is you never, never, never, ever even mentioned to a child that H.R.Tinoplasty, and any things were possible until there were 12, 13, 14, because it introduced ideas into their brain. You gave them an opportunity to grow out of it, which most of them will. Yeah, and you can't grow out of, as Abigail says, their reversible harm. You can't go out for a female biological female takes testosterone.

There are things that happen to her that will never be undone.

Or biological male takes estrogen. There's going to be things to him that will never be undone. Right. So, I mean, you know, I would say, and this is where we may disagree, this data also strongly indicates that if you have someone who's gender dysphoric, like early on said gender dysphoria and talking about a case without comorbidity so autism is not in the

mix you know, other things are not in the mess, like a traditional, transsexual early onset gender dysphoria. If that is still present at puberty, the odds of that going away are basically non-existent. Like because the gay boys, like at that age, they're going to know they want boys. And then like this is not something that's going to change by delaying it. I think it makes sense to have a pathway for those kids to get help. My problem is this progressive project has politicized every single part of the science. I can look at the DSM three from the 80s and see how that was better better protocol than the DSM four and that was better protocol than the DSM five and today It's literally garbage in there like you can invent your own gender something we have zero scientific evidence like helps actually affirming So we got all these politics mixed up with gender identity disorder none of this is about the patients None of it is about the evidence. And the only way I can figure out how to get actually dysphoric legitimate transsexuals help is we've got to rebuild these medical standards from scratch because it's just too politicized. The, I'm wondering, I'm curious to hear your opinion if this is something that's an inherent issue with leftism. Because leftism definitionally is about welcoming the outsider, being open to the outgroup. Right now, I'm sure you may have heard this. If you haven't, I'm delighted that I get to be the one to tell you. There is a clinic now here in Austin, which can be people want to be neuter and have their genitalia look like a Barbie doll or like flat with just a urethra, there's a guy here in Austin who's doing that. The thing is I feel like people in that space are don't ever feel comfortable saying this is my line. If I am telling you this is how I feel, it is your obligation as a leftist to tell me, well, if you accept me, I have to accept you.

This is hashtag, this is fine.

So let's just be honest about this.

That's a fetish.

There are some people that have a fetish

for becoming sexually nullified.

It is as old as time itself.

And that's a fetish.

Here's another really uncomfortable fact.

In the 90s, when we measured transexualism, we figured that transsexuals, actual transsexuals were about one in 10,000 people. Another uncomfortable fact is the number of natal males that are radically charged by cross-dressing, fetishistically cross-dressing, is about one in a hundred, which means they outnumber us by a massive, massive margin. So if you're looking at all these people claiming to be trans online and they act like a bunch of cost-dressers, it's because they are. Progressives have literally destroyed the standards that differentiated between these two communities and told those natal males, you know what, you need to deal with this in private, this is your business, do that. And told them that if they got on HRT, it was going to solve all their problems. That's not true. We knew that was not true in the 60s. So the problem is the right wing has a political project to dismantle trans healthcare. This not helping transsexuals. The left also has a political project to dismantle healthcare for transsexuals and you've got everyone caught in the middle of this insanity. Are you familiar with the book a year with the girls? No. There was an exhibit I saw at the Net or MoMA just recently about this thing called Casa Susana, which was this establishment in New York, upstate New York in the 60s, where cross-jessers came and spend weekends cross-dressing. And one of the protagonists was a prominent science fiction author and under pseudonym he wrote a book about it called A Year with the Girls. And I'm going to use a slur pardon me. What? If you read the book, he talks about we're not.

We are men with wives who have sex with women. This is something that turns us on erotically and cross dressing in the bed. I know it's in post people understand cross dressing the bedroom as a kink was something very common. It was made fun of on TV all the time. Yeah. And now this, I think they're called AGPs.

This is something where you're supposed to,

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