Welcome back to Hot Takes and Deep Dives. This is Jess and I am here with the Man of the

Hour. He is the man who wrote the book and a thousand recaps on Housewives. It's Mr.

Brian James Moilin. Hi, how's it going? Do you remember the last time we saw each other?

Oh, it was at bravocon.com. Of course. I mean, I feel like bravo con was the last time I did

anything because I went to LA and I like interviewed some houses for the book and I went to bravo con in

New York and I saw my parents and then like after that I was like in London forever. Like I didn't

get to go anywhere, nothing. So yeah, are we going to bravocon this year? I have to be honest,

I'm having a hard time getting excited about it. Like I did it. What's going to be better than

that first one? What are we going to learn that we don't already know and what's going to happen

that we haven't already seen? True, but I do feel like hopefully they learned from the last one

and so like maybe it'll be like a little bit better. But I also just a lot like my favorite part

of bravocon was just was not even like the programming. It was just like being around the fans and

us like doing what we do. Seeing like every podcaster whose podcaster had been on like everyone who

writes about the Housewives, every Housewives meme account. Like just like seeing everybody,

it was totally like Housewives class reunion and then like all the new people I met. I mean,

there's this lady who I sat next to at the table and watched what happens live and we exchanged

phone numbers and we still just like text about the Housewives. There's just some like random lady

Mary from West Hartford who I met at bravocon. So I feel like for that I want to go but I kind of

agree with you. It's like do I want to go sit at like some panel? Maybe not. So literally how we ran

into each other at bravocon was I was just like finding seats for two of my friends at the Beverly

Hills panel and either you were ready. I think you were literally already sitting there on the aisle

and I just was just like oh is this available and I sat down. I'm like Brian and it was just

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