Hello and welcome to the Bullock podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller.

Delighted to welcome back, co-host of the Politics with an X podcast with Matt Iglesias. He also writes the

off message. Substack newsletter was at Crooked Media before, the New Republic and other

lib outlets. And he's a great article. Whenever I read a great newsletter from someone that I agree with

100%. I'm like, they must come on the podcast so I can have my priors affirmed. It's Brian

Boydler. How you doing, man? I'm good, but it makes me think that it's been like a year

and a half since I wrote something that you fully agreed with, and that kind of hurts my feelings.

That is not true. Actually, when I texted you about how good it was, I noticed I had done similarly

a couple months ago, but maybe this wasn't a podcast-worthy agreement. Fair enough. This agreement was like, I am engorged by how much I agree with this and we must podcast on it.

All right.

I will swing to the fences.

I apologize.

I apologize to my mother-in-law for that.

The article is Jeffrey Epstein, Trump Care and the Influencer problem.

And I want to get into the Epstein stuff with you and a bunch of other issues in micro. But first,

the macro point that you're making is something I've been talking about a lot that I just,

I think that it's hard to just kind of process for like the Democratic strategist class and politicians

a little bit is this. Your subhead is, what if the people Democrats want to reach aren't

terribly interested in policy, per se?

You go on, we should cop to attention, a pretty severe one, between the Democratic Party's desire to contest election on safe ground like health care policy and the new consensus that reaching marginal voters will require with engaging the online influencers and pop culture figures, those voters admire.

This is right.

I think I ask pretty much every Dem Paul that comes on this show about this,

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