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The Bulwark Podcast

Ben Wittes and Michael Feinberg: Breakdown at the FBI

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

In addition to eviscerating the top leadership at the Bureau, Kash Patel has assigned whole squads of agents to immigration enforcement. Seasoned FBI veterans who used to focus on national security or run RICO investigations are now doing perimeter security during ICE round-ups of kids and grandmas. The administration's purge is draining the Bureau of expertise and apolitical people who did real work defending the rule of law and protecting the country. Plus, do four GOP senators care one iota about the whistleblower allegations against Emil Bove? And will Ukraine finally get badly-needed air defense weapons? 

Ben Wittes and Mike Feinberg—a former top deputy at the Bureau who was targeted by Dan Bongino—join Tim Miller.
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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. We've got a lawfare

0:17.5

doubleheader of sorts in segment two. friend ben widdus is back but first

0:22.1

he was recently a top deputy in the fbi's norfolk office uh he resigned after being told

0:28.5

he'd be demoted for being friends with someone on the cash patel enemies list his title had been

0:34.5

assistant special agent in charge of the Norfolk National Security and Intelligence programs.

0:39.4

He'd previously worked at other roles such as a unit chief at the J. Edgar Hoover building in D.C.

0:46.1

It's Michael Feinberg. How you doing, man?

0:48.0

I'm doing well at yourself.

0:49.3

Well, I'm still employed. So I'm doing better than you, I guess, seems like.

0:52.6

Yeah, yeah. And I saw from one of your

0:54.3

earlier podcasts that you actually got to go see Oasis kick off their reunion tour. I saw Oasis's

1:00.8

first homecoming show in Manchester and Heaton Park. It was, it was fucking brilliant. Yeah, I feel

1:07.9

bad. I've been making fun of Oasis on Blue Sky lately, but that's a mistake. That has more to do with the personalities of Liam and Noel. I've actually seen, I saw them a few times in their original. They sound as good as ever, man. I don't know. Liam's been, I think, I don't know if Liam stopped smoking or what's going on. But they sound great. Highly recommend.

1:28.0

And you've got free time.

1:29.2

So they're playing all over the world.

1:30.6

Well, we're having a kid in about two and a half weeks.

1:34.7

So unfortunately, free time is not really on the agenda for me.

1:39.2

Congrats.

1:39.8

Well, my advice to new parents, nobody tells you this.

1:42.5

Like three months to nine months it's actually a

1:46.0

great time to world travel with a child no one tells you this because after because you know they

1:51.0

unless you have a unless you have a cranky child but most of them at that age just shut up if you

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