Bret Lyon and Sheila Rubin: Turning Shame into an Ally

Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

Tami Simon

Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2021

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Brett Lyon, PhD, SEP, and Sheila Rubin, MA, LMFT, RDT/BCT, are the founders of the Center for Healing Shame and co-creators of the Healing Shame Lyon-Rubin Method. Through their in-person and popular online trainings, they've taught hundreds of psychotherapists throughout the world how to more effectively identify and work with shame. With Sounds True, Brett and Sheila have created a new audio series designed for the general public called Healing Shame: How to Work with This Powerful, Mysterious Emotion—and Transform It into an Ally. In this podcast, Sounds True founder Tami Simon speaks with Bret and Sheila about how we can learn to understand and appreciate shame in a deeper way. This healing conversation covers the different types of shame we encounter, normalizes our experiences of shame, and explores how shame, though painful, can actually be a helpful emotion.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Insights at the Edge, produced by SoundsTrue.
0:05.3	My name is Tammy Simon, I'm the founder of SoundsTrue, and I'd love to take a moment
0:09.9	to introduce you to the new SoundsTrue Foundation.
0:14.0	The SoundsTrue Foundation is dedicated to creating a wiser and kinder world by making
0:20.5	transformational education widely available.
0:24.8	We want everyone to have access to transformational tools such as mindfulness, emotional awareness,
0:33.7	and self-compassion, regardless of financial, social, or physical challenges.
0:40.1	The SoundsTrue Foundation is a nonprofit dedicated to providing these transformational tools
0:46.6	to communities in need, including at-risk youth, prisoners, veterans, and those in developing
0:53.5	countries.
0:54.8	If you'd like to learn more or feel inspired to become a supporter, please visit SoundsTrueFoundation.org.
1:08.0	You're listening to Insights at the Edge.
1:10.4	Today, my guests are Sheila Rubin and Brett Lyon.
1:14.8	Sheila and Brett are founders of the Center for Healing Shame and their co-creators of
1:21.5	the Healing Shame Lyon Rubin Method.
1:25.6	Through their in-person and popular online trainings, they've taught hundreds of psychotherapists
1:31.4	throughout the world how to more effectively identify and work with shame.
1:37.5	They live together in Berkeley, California, and with SoundsTrue, Brett and Sheila have
1:42.9	created a new audio series designed for the general public on Healing Shame, how to
1:49.6	work with this powerful, mysterious emotion and transform it into an ally.
1:56.4	This conversation doesn't just help us understand and appreciate shame in a deeper way.
2:04.0	It normalizes the experience of shame and it takes some of the extreme pain out of it.
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