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All right, let's talk about the episode today. Wow, I'm not even sure where to start y'all.

When I heard that Sue Monk Kidd and Jen Hatmaker had books coming out on the same day,

I was like, of course they do because talking about dissident daughters if you know

sum-month kids book you'll know that's a reference to one of her books about

struggling with faith and patriarchy and religion and finding voice and

Summa Kidd was the first person to teach me that I could love God, even be in a relationship with Church and question some of the man-made

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