Well, welcome to a very special episode of the podcast. My name is Kerry Newhoff, not the typical host, but really honored to have been

invited by Pastor Louis to come on and have a conversation with Louis Giglio, Jenny Allen,

and Craig Grishell today. And we're talking about mental health and the church. It's the fifth

anniversary of this amazing book. Don't give the enemy a seat at your table. It was five years ago that it came out.

And when it came out, Louie, you invited Jenny and Craig to your podcast to have a special event to talk about their books,

which had also surfaced mental health issues in the church. And so a lot of the content that you're hearing today, Jenny's got a couple of books,

one very recently called The Lie You Don't Know You Believe, and her classic book, Get Out of

Your Head. And then, of course, Craig in, I think it was 2018 or so, released, Winning the War in

your Mind, and then very recently released this book, Heal Your Hurting Mind with

Dr. Wayne Chappelle, a co-authorship. So I really appreciate how all three of you have contributed

to the mental health conversation in the church. And you're leading at the very highest levels

in the church right now in each of your fields,

and I'm really grateful.

So, Craig, I'd love for you to sort of catch us up over the last five years since this group last convened.

What has the journey for mental health look like for you?

Well, first of all, I can't believe it's been five years, right? It's just time goes

by so fast. And in so many ways, I've become just more aware of the depth and breadth of problems

that people are having with mental health. And, you know, I talked about it before with you guys, but I had kind of my first real

stumble mentally and emotionally back in 2019.

And so that took me to a place that I'd never been firsthand and being there firsthand

just gave me a deeper love

and compassion for people that are there. And so it's interesting, you know, about that same time,

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